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1. sean coon September 15th, 2006 | 6:08 pm

   suh-weet. thanks, john

2. Billy The Blogging Poet September 21st, 2006 | 8:32 pm

   What Sean said. And I fixed the link. Thanks!

3. Deria March 5th, 2007 | 7:01 pm

   that was very helpful, thank you very much guys.

4. Matt W November 17th, 2007 | 6:41 am

   Cheers John, was exactly what I was after.

   I have to agree it seems a bit mad this feature isn’t built into acrobat reader. Guess some of life simplicities get overlooked in the transition to the digital era!

5. Michael Hartl December 3rd, 2007 | 1:53 pm

   This is awesome. It is shocking that such basic functionality isn’t part of Adobe Reader. What is worse, Adobe uses the word “bookmark” for something related but different, making web searches for
   “real” bookmarks a pain in the neck. (I finally found this page using “acrobat reader bookmark a page”; use the current name of “adobe reader” and you’re out of luck.)

   I got this working under Adobe Reader 8 for OS X. The right directory for me was ~/Library/Acrobat User Data/8.0_x86/JavaScripts

   Thanks!

6. John Ford December 3rd, 2007 | 4:07 pm

   Michael, thanks for the heads up and testing this in Adobe Reader 8! I made a couple of changes to the post to reflect your findings.

7. Saket December 18th, 2007 | 6:07 pm

   Thanks John for the plugin. Works great.

8. William December 27th, 2007 | 5:55 pm

   I had been pulling out my hair searching Adobe Reader 8 via F1(no help there!)for what I had thought would be a given. Keeping track of where I left off on my collection of various ebooks required an equally varied collection of Post-its. So much for paperless! Thanks so much for this plugin.

9. sleep+walker December 29th, 2007 | 12:30 am

   OMG! Thankyou for this excellent plugin.

   I cannot believe that adobe didn’t have such a fundamental usability option by default.

   I’m on Vista Ultimate using adobe reader 8.1.1 and I copied the javascript to C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 8.0\Reader\Javascripts and it works just fine, again, thankyou.

10. Dave Casserly January 17th, 2008 | 5:45 am

    Very useful plugin, thanks.

11. Ray January 21st, 2008 | 6:49 pm

    Can this be used with the Windows Mobile Adobe Reader?

12. John Ford January 21st, 2008 | 7:59 pm

    Hi Ray, I don’t think it’s possible. The plugin is written with Javascript. I found this in the “Acrobat Reader for Pocket PC User Guide“:

    “Note: Adobe Reader for Pocket PC supports the scripting language FormCalc. It doesn’t support JavaScript, cannot update or validate calculations automatically, or populate a form’s fields automatically from a database.”

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18. FW#13 February 22nd, 2008 | 4:50 am

    Wow! Thank you so much for this. :) I’ve been looking for this feature for a long time, now reading on my PC won’t be such a pain.

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20. Pat March 6th, 2008 | 4:16 am

    Its indeed a great feature and very helpful.
    Adobe has made good software but should include this plugin.
    Anyways, thanks a lot.

21. Orlando March 22nd, 2008 | 11:58 am

    Excellent plugin!!! I’ve been looking for these feature in adobe reader from quite some time. It’s so simply I don’t understand why Adobe hasn’t implemented it. Thanks a lot!!! You just made my ebook reading a lot easier!!!

22. Ionut March 24th, 2008 | 4:06 am

    Great plugin ! I was looking for something like that for a long time, since Adobe forgot to add this basic functionality (but very useful)

    I tested the script on Ubuntu and Fedora 8 and it’s working very well.

    I was wondering if there is a way to move the bookmarks to another computer.. Where is the information about the bookmark saved ?

23. John Ford March 24th, 2008 | 7:57 am

    Hi lonut, glad to hear it works on Linux!

    On OS X the saved bookmark data is stored in:

    ~/Library/Acrobat User Data/8.0_x86/JavaScripts/glob.js

    On Windows it’s stored in:

    C:\Documents and Settings\[User Name]\Application Data\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\JavaScripts\glob.js

    I imagine it’s similar on Linux and if you copy the glob.js to the other machine it should transfer just fine.

    Let us know if it works!

    Thanks.

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25. Kevin Naidoo May 8th, 2008 | 3:17 am

    Thank you very much! My main gripe about acrobat reader has been this simple functionality, the electronic equivalent of the physical bookmark. Now if only I can get it to work on Adobe Reader LE on Tytn II as well…

26. David May 12th, 2008 | 9:45 am

    Works great! Just a tip for user klutzes like me: I couldn’t find the location he was listing for Windows, until I remembered to change the View setting so I could see hidden files. Then there it was.

27. dayg May 13th, 2008 | 4:57 am

    Works like a charm. Thanks.

    I tried the PDF hacks bookmarker and got an internal error in one of my PDFs.

    But your bookmarker works great.

    I originally wanted to create my own PDF reader/bookmarker based on Adobe AIR but encountered problems along the way.

    I think I’m sticking with your approach for now.

    Thanks again.

28. i48998 May 28th, 2008 | 12:18 am

    It doesn’t work for me, what am I doing wrong? I copied the file to the location, opened PDF file, did the bookmark, closed file, came back in, tried to go to the bookmark but it wouldn’t go.

29. me May 30th, 2008 | 2:47 am

    I installed this per instructions. I am sure I did everything as stated - no problems finding the appropriate folders, etc., but I could not get it to work. I tried restarting Reader and even rebooting. But it’s not showing up in the menu.

    Any idea what’s wrong? I’ve got Reader 8.

30. stanleykim May 31st, 2008 | 2:08 am

    It’s a great and simple.

    i would like to get keyboard shortcuts.

    It will be great!.

    anyway thanks a lot.

31. John Ford May 31st, 2008 | 2:30 am

    What operating system are you on and what’s the exact version of Adobe Reader that you’re using if it’s not working for you?

32. i48998 May 31st, 2008 | 4:33 pm

    I’m on XP, Adobe 8.1.2.

    I installed that other plugin (pdf hacks) and that one worked fine.

33. John Ford June 1st, 2008 | 12:28 pm

    i48998, do you know if the information is being stored in the glob.js file (C:\Documents and Settings\[User Name]\Application Data\Adobe\Acrobat\8.0\JavaScripts\glob.js)? It should say something about “global.pdf_bookmark=”. I tested it on Windows XP with Adobe Reader 8.1.2 and its working fine for me. Any error messages or other strange things happening?

    Thanks.

34. Frankie Loscavio June 2nd, 2008 | 8:36 pm

    I just wanted to say thank you for this great Acrobat Reader plugin you have made. I have to agree that the omission of this very basic usability feature in Reader is typical of a big company trying to get people to upgrade to the writer version of Acrobat. Probably some marketing decision that was agreed upon with open arms. Who knows? Anyways, I personally think a bookmark feature is and will be an imperative staple to electronic books and PDF reading. What you have made perfectly solves the problem Adobe should have solved originally.

    Well, keep up the great work John!

35. Dale June 13th, 2008 | 3:26 pm

    I’ve been using this plugin for a while (thanks!), but had some issues after upgrading Ubuntu — the upgraded wiped out Acrobat Reader. I reinstalled it, but forgot to reinstall the plugin. It turns out the Linux 8.1.2 version of Acrobat Reader, at least, does indeed have this feature built in. The setting is buried, however. Go to Document - Accessibility Setup Assistant, click the “Next” button until you get to the last screen of the assistant, and there it is, “Reopen documents to the last viewed page”.

36. jee June 14th, 2008 | 12:54 am

    Man, this is sooo sweet. I’ve been looking for it for a loooong time. Thnkx a whole bunch.

37. andre June 27th, 2008 | 12:14 pm

    Whoooo hoooo…..at last someone actually made something usefull….no really well done….simple perfect works beautiful

38. Michael June 27th, 2008 | 8:23 pm

    Thanks!! Great! Thanks for taking the time to post this for everyone’s benefit.

39. robert July 2nd, 2008 | 6:09 am

    Hi! The bookmark function appeared in the Reader only after I restarted my computer.

40. David July 5th, 2008 | 12:53 pm

    Doesn’t work. The plugin shows up in the tool menu but when I bookmark a page, close the pdf and open it, then “go to bookmark” nothing happens. Is it dependent on how a pdf was created?

41. simon July 30th, 2008 | 5:39 am

    Searched bookmark page pdf on google and found this.. just what i was looking for! thanks!

42. Alan McIntyre July 31st, 2008 | 6:54 am

    I second what Michael has said on June 27th. Thank you for taking the time to make this available.

43. Parminder Singh August 1st, 2008 | 2:24 am

    Great. It works. But only the latest page added as bookmark is shown. Is it possible to view more than 1 bookmarked pages.

44. Jez August 15th, 2008 | 3:11 am

    Fantastic! I’ve wished reader has a bookmark for ages. Previously I’ve had to rename the file with the page number in the title, but that was tedious and sometimes I’d forget.

    This works perfectly with v9 as well.

45. Kohope Gedde August 18th, 2008 | 10:12 am

    Hey. The plug-in doesn’t work for me. I am running on Windows XP Professional and using Adobe Acrobat 7.0.

    This error shows up:

    Windows Script Host
    Script: C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\Reader\Javascripts\pdf_bookmark.js
    Line: 48
    Char: 1
    Error: ’self’ is undefined
    Code: 800A1391
    Source: Microsoft JScript runtime error

    Any help is much appreciated.

    Thanks

46. tonyb August 28th, 2008 | 1:40 am

    do you have a version for acrobat reader 9? I followed your instructions with acrobat 8, seems not be working.

    thanks.

47. tonyb August 28th, 2008 | 1:43 am

    sorry it worked already. its in View menu item. i was looking in Tools item.

48. Gamon September 11th, 2008 | 12:24 pm

    Thanks. How can I remove a bookmark?

49. Thom September 16th, 2008 | 7:22 am

    Hmm I got it working on Linux (Ubuntu) with acrobat 8, but the same page is now permanently bookmarked. That is, I bookmarked a page, came back to it after reopening acrobat, but now whenever I ‘go to bookmark’ I’m taken to that first bookmarked page, regardless of how many times I bookmark a later page.

    Weird, and annoying. It seems that if I close and then reopen acrobat after bookmarking a new page, it goes to the correct page. However if I log out or restart the machine, the ‘go to bookmark’ command takes me to that originally bookmarked page. I guess this is something to do with the bookmark being saved in some temporary location that gets deleted…

    Any ideas?

50. Gary September 16th, 2008 | 12:11 pm

    Thanks a lot! Works great on linux with acroread 8.1.2

51. yosef k September 21st, 2008 | 4:28 pm

    works great also in acrobat 9.0 (windows xp sp2). thanks a lot. makes one wonder why it hasn’t been build-in by adobe.

52. Alex September 23rd, 2008 | 11:16 am

    Works for me with Acrobat 9.0. The path for Vista is quite different tho, its :

    C:\Users\{UserName}\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Acrobat\9.0\JavaScripts

    Thanks again!

53. Justin Goldberg September 27th, 2008 | 10:55 pm

    any way to get this to work in foxit?

    Posted this question to yahoo answers.

54. Justin Goldberg September 27th, 2008 | 10:55 pm

    Will it work with acrobat pro 7?

55. Jay-r October 31st, 2008 | 12:08 am

    Thank you! It works! Tried using the PDF Hack version but somehow crashes when switching to different pdf files.

    Cheerios,

56. Dave November 2nd, 2008 | 2:37 pm

    Yes, it does work in Acrobat Pro 7 … after you enable it!

    Edit –> Preferences –> Javascript –> [CHECK] Enable menu items JavaScript execution privileges

    Thanks John, I appreciate the shared script. Works perfect!

57. PK2k November 5th, 2008 | 6:57 am

    You Rock.”!!”

58. Randil November 6th, 2008 | 11:00 pm

    Wow dude its wrking for vista.
    Thx a lot
    it saved me a lot of time recovering which page i have read last night.

59. Steven Hawkes November 10th, 2008 | 1:37 am

    I have a problem with this utility in that it does not work for all my EBooks that I get from say OReilly or Epress etc but it does work for all other PDF’s.

    I debugged the script and the problem is that the offending PDF’s dont return a this.docID. Has anyone else experienced this issus?

    Is there another field I could use as a unique identifier?

    I have a temporary hack where I use a fixed identifer if the DocID is null but this will only work for one book which is a shame especially since most of the books I use are EBooks.

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61. kumo November 20th, 2008 | 1:53 pm

    Great tooll, thanks

62. Dustin Smith November 27th, 2008 | 5:30 pm

    Great!
    Thanks a bunch.

63. John Ford November 30th, 2008 | 7:05 pm

    Sorry that this has taken a while but if you’ve been having problems please try version 1.2. I believe it will fix the issue of not being able to create a bookmark.

    Glad everyone is enjoying the plugin!

64. phil December 1st, 2008 | 6:48 am

    For German wording in the menu open the pdf_bookmark.js with wordpad MFC or whatever editor you whish and add

    ‘DEU’: {
    bookmark: ‘Lesezeichen’,
    bookmarkThisPage: ‘Lesezeichen setzen’,
    gotoBookmark: ‘Zum Lesezeichen springen’
    }

    to the “var Traslation”
    Don´t forget to add a comma ‘,’ behind the swung brace of the ‘FRA’ entry.
    Similarly you can add any language you whish, the text in quotes is replacable by any words you whish (I think up to a spcific number of characters…) ;o)

65. rasoul December 1st, 2008 | 8:33 am

    hello there im trying to install this on my mac machine leopard using acrobat 9. when i go to the folder /Library/Application Support/Adobe/Acrobat there is no 9.0_x86 folder just com.adobe.Reader folderand RdrENU90SelfHeal.xml file.

    i have tried creating the 9.0_x86 folder but no joy. can someone please help

    thanks

66. John Ford December 1st, 2008 | 8:14 pm

    phil, thanks for the translation. I’ll add that to the next release.

    rasoul, are there any other directories that are similar such as “~/Library/Application Support/Adobe/Acrobat/9.0/JavaScripts” or “~/Library/Acrobat User Data/9.0_x86/JavaScripts”?

67. rasoul December 2nd, 2008 | 9:10 am

    hi john

    im afraid not. looked everywhere and no folders by those names.

68. John Ford December 2nd, 2008 | 10:17 am

    rasoul, make sure at least one PDF has been opened in Adobe Reader and then closed. Next, try searching for the file names ‘glob.js’ and ‘glob.settings.js’ on your computer. That may point you to the JavaScripts folder.

69. Fitz Lopez December 9th, 2008 | 11:42 am

    Thanks from Mexico, have been wanting something like this for a while but was to lazy to program it.

70. Ibrahim December 9th, 2008 | 12:27 pm

    thank you!
    this information helped me a lot!
    n thank you commenters because i got further information from ur comments!
    :)

71. sarah December 19th, 2008 | 7:43 am

    Hi, I really like what you hve done. So many times I have said the same thing bout adobe’s lack of actual reading bookmarks. I prefer sumatra pdf in windows than adobe reader. Is there any chance you could make plugin for sumatra? Thanks. And Right On.

72. John Ford December 19th, 2008 | 11:39 am

    sarah, I don’t know anything about sumatra pdf or if you can develop plugins for it. However, it does appear from a quick search that the program saves the last location of the pdf when you close the program.

73. Calvin Lau December 21st, 2008 | 10:49 am

    Adobe hijacks the word ‘Bookmark’ and yet don’t provide the function the users expect to see from this word.

    Thanks for sharing this useful piece of code.

74. jstreet January 3rd, 2009 | 1:34 pm

    Thanks.
    I always wondered why I couldn’t figure out how to use the acrobat bookmark feature. It was because it wasn’t there.
    I will now read a few long pdf books!

75. splynx January 4th, 2009 | 9:51 pm

    Omg… i’m o loving this plugin… but pls can u add a shortcut for bookmarking and restoring, i think the would be great. Thanks

76. John Ford January 4th, 2009 | 10:05 pm

    splynx, I have looked at the documentation for this but haven’t found a way to add shortcut keys. If anyone knows of a way to do this definitely let me know and I’ll add it.

77. Angel January 4th, 2009 | 10:53 pm

    THANKS!!!

78. sjaun January 5th, 2009 | 4:54 pm

    thanks man! very cool plugin. exactly what i was looking for!

79. Imran January 14th, 2009 | 11:28 pm

    Thank you, I am looking for this plugIn, exactly this one, Thanks

80. Arné January 15th, 2009 | 6:30 am

    Works perfectly, thanks !

81. aleo January 21st, 2009 | 9:17 am

    Sweeeet. Thanks a ton.

82. samdc January 27th, 2009 | 9:04 pm

    Thank you so much. Just what I needed.

83. Luis January 28th, 2009 | 3:40 am

    I read a lot of large (20MB+) PDF files and remember where I left off sometimes in 1,000+ pages, this thing is great! Especially for me as a student! Thanks!!

84. Dan February 2nd, 2009 | 10:15 pm

    Great plugin. You made my life much easier! Works fine on XP Media Center sp3 with Adobe Reader 9. Thank you for taking the time to write the script and sharing.

85. Ravi February 4th, 2009 | 2:06 pm

    this is awesome, thank you (to the power of infinite :))

    adobe should pay u a huge royalty :)))))

86. brothertee February 19th, 2009 | 6:11 am

    Hi

    For Acrobat Reader 9 and Vista you have to copy the file to :

    C:\Program Files\Adobe\Reader 9.0\Reader\Javascripts

    Thanks v. much for this, it really helps a lot.

87. kizzx2 February 20th, 2009 | 1:06 pm

    Thanks, this has helped a lot!

88. TK February 28th, 2009 | 5:13 pm

    Thanks, this is such a simple way to solve a very annoying oversight in acrobat reader.

89. me March 1st, 2009 | 4:51 pm

    thanks!
    any way to do an upgrade to your hack, to make a “visible” kind of “postit” “real bookmark”?

90. Lisel March 5th, 2009 | 3:57 pm

    This worked like a charm. Thanks a lot!

91. Jeremy March 15th, 2009 | 1:55 am

    Absolutely unbelievable that this isn’t a built in feature. This link will be shared many times. Thank you!

92. Robert March 21st, 2009 | 7:17 am

    Thanks for this wonderful and simple plug-in.

    It is crazy that Adobe Reader does not have this kind of basic functionality built in!

93. cyberpunky March 28th, 2009 | 1:17 am

    Wow, thanks dudes! I have to question every day I wake up why haven’t Adobe included something like this thing to this date with their reader! I agree that Adobe should be paying whoever made this thing and take the copyright.

94. Nima March 28th, 2009 | 6:32 pm

    what a great feature!, it’s really strange that Adobe didn’t add this feature to Adobe Reader!

95. Lam April 1st, 2009 | 2:03 am

    Thanks ! it’s really useful.. I like Adobe Reader but it’s a pity that Adobe Reader doesn’t have this feature .That’s why i have installed foxit reader too .Now I can uninstall Foxit ..

96. Dillion April 6th, 2009 | 5:53 pm

    I wanted to comment and thank the author, good stuff

97. Randy April 9th, 2009 | 10:46 am

    Thanks for this very handy script! I couldn’t believe it wasn’t built in. I’ve got one of those huge Excel 2007 books I want to chip away at for work. A simple bookmark is just what I needed.

98. Joanne April 12th, 2009 | 6:26 am

    Thank you very much! That was quick.
    I believe some versions of adobe reader do have bookmarks(please correct me if I’m wrong), but I wonder why they wouldn’t include this simple feature in every version?

99. HL April 16th, 2009 | 6:50 pm

    Thanks a bunch!

100. Tzveeka April 22nd, 2009 | 6:15 pm

     Thank you very much,
     For years i have been creating text files that contain my page positions in the pdf books i’m reading - that’s now finaly over.

     I would love to know where and how your script saves the page data?

101. John Ford April 23rd, 2009 | 8:15 am

     @Tzveeka, Adobe Reader allows the plugin to save data to a global javascript file. So, the code just takes the current page you’re viewing and saves that to the file. If you’re familiar with javascript, open the plugin in a text editor and you can see how it’s done.

102. Gonzalo April 23rd, 2009 | 4:34 pm

     Thanks!!!

103. lumosh April 24th, 2009 | 6:27 pm

     Fantastic! Exactly what I was looking for.

104. raghav May 1st, 2009 | 7:19 am

     Sweet, thanks for the awesome plugin and also directions for using it.
     Works fine in XP + Adobe Reader 8 (trial version).
     Have been searching for such a plugin, din’t even thought this would be this easy. :D
     Thanks a ton.

105. Kenny May 4th, 2009 | 11:55 am

     Thanks for this great plugin! It’s going to make reading pdf books a lot easier.

106. kervin May 7th, 2009 | 12:51 am

     It works! thanks!

107. The Big BOSS May 18th, 2009 | 12:02 pm

     Thank You. You made my day….

108. Hollow May 26th, 2009 | 5:01 am

     Brilliant. Many sincere thanks.

109. Ariel Flesler May 26th, 2009 | 9:54 am

     Simple and accurate. Good job.

110. hnwa_85 May 27th, 2009 | 6:22 pm

     Excellent tool thanks!

111. allyghee May 29th, 2009 | 6:34 am

     thanks for this nice and simple to install plugin. i still can’t believe such an important basic functionality was overlooked. thanks

112. Hans June 7th, 2009 | 7:28 am

     Great plugin.

     I have a small suggestion, I like to start scrolling using the keyboard immediately after moving to the bookmarked page.

     I have therefore changed your script a little bit, I use:
     this.selectPageNthWord(data[n])
     instead of
     this.pageNum = data[n];

113. Wil June 7th, 2009 | 8:28 am

     Simple but essential tool that the people at Adobe neglected to include in 9 versions of reader. Thanks.

114. Greg June 22nd, 2009 | 11:00 am

     This plugin is great, I’ve used it for some time. I have a new laptop with Windows Server 2008, and Adobe Reader 9…anyone know the right folder to put the javascript in?
     I’ve tried several, but I can’t seem to get it to work.

115. Greg June 22nd, 2009 | 1:17 pm

     Ah, got it figured out. Just like Vista, it’s “C:\Users\\AppData\Roaming\Adobe\Acrobat\9.0\JavaScripts

     I guess you have to give it a second to load the javascript…I was opening a PDF, going right to the tools menu, and I couldn’ see it. If you open a PDF, then wait like 2-3 seconds, THEN open the tools menu, it’s there.

     Sweet. thanks for writing this plugin, it’s the bees knees I tell ya. I love it.

116. JMc June 23rd, 2009 | 1:13 am

     This is great… simple, but does exactly what I needed. Great job. Thanks a lot John

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